Improved CB Radio Service Needed?

I originally posted this on another Forum (another website). Needless to say, the hams went crazy and attacked the concept anyway they could, but no one could ever explain why the public would NOT benefit from it… Here we go:

It is my opinion that local communities and the American Citizen could benefit from a new CB Type Service at 49 MHz. That new service should be allowed to offer Dual-Band radios that are capable of using the MURS radio service and the 49 MHz CB service.

My question to the Forum users: Would you support a Proposal to the FCC to create such a service? Or if not, why?

U.S. 49 MHz VHF-Lo CB Radio Band Plan
TX/RX Mode of Operation FM (25 Watts rms)

Channel / Frequency / Bandwidth / Recommended Use
1A. 49.6750 (20.00 kHz) Interstate Highway Channel – Long Range
2A. 49.6950 (20.00 kHz) Off Road Vehicle (4WD) channel — Long Range
3A. 49.7150 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
4A. 49.7350 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
5A. 49.7550 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
6A. 49.7750 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
7A. 49.7950 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
8A. 49.8150 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
9A. 49.8400 (20.00 kHz) Emergency / Travel Assistance ONLY
10A. 49.8650 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
11A. 49.8950 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
12A. 49.9150 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
13A. 49.9350 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
14A. 49.9550 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
15A. 49.9750 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel

U.S. 150 MHz VHF MURS Band Plan
TX/RX Mode of Operation FM (2 Watts rms)

Channel / Frequency / Bandwidth / Recommended Use
1B. 151.820 MHz (11.25 kHz) Short Range Talk Around Channel
2B. 151.880 MHz (11.25 kHz) Short Range Talk Around Channel
3B. 151.940 MHz (11.25 kHz) Truck / Cargo Terminals — Calling Channel
4B. 154.570 MHz (20.00 kHz) Off Road Vehicle (4WD) channel — Short Range
5B. 154.600 MHz (20.00 kHz) Interstate Highway Channel – Short Range

Essentially calling upon the manufacturers to create a product (all of the manufacturers have ceased low band radio production though Kenwood has told of a low band addition to the NX-5000). Currently the rules for MURS state that a MURS radio can only be capable of being used for MURS.

The biggest issue is proposing the use of 49 MHz…it doesn’t really alleviate the existing issues of high noise floor nor does it provide a more practical antenna solution. Good idea, but I don’t think it’s the correct spectrum to utilize.

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Hi zap_P25,

It’s the only slice of spectrum I could think of, remember 49 MHz was the part 15 dumping ground in the 80’s and early 90’s… You’re right, the noise would not be much better, but a 1/4 wave is much smaller at 49 MHz than at 27 MHz, so the antennas are more manageable for the end users. Also, after more consideration, I don’t think the FCC will go for 25 watts of output for a license free service, possibly 10 watts max for the FM mode.

I also have a new band plan for 27 MHz (I know, more dreaming), if it was adopted, it would clean up the band over time. Check it out:

                      U.S. 27 MHz Revised HF Band Plan 
 Modes of Operation *Narrow FM (10 Watts) and USB / LSB (25 Watts PEP)

Channel / Frequency / Recommended Use & TX/RX Mod
D1. 26.930 MHz Data ONLY – 300 bps maximum
1A. 26.950 MHz Off Road Vehicle (4WD) or Wilderness channel – NFM
2A. 26.960 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
3A. 26.970 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
4A. 26.980 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
5A. 27.010 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
6A. 27.020 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
7A. 27.030 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
8A. 27.060 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
9A. 27.070 MHz Emergency / Travel Assistance ONLY – NFM
10A. 27.080 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
11A. 27.110 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
12A. 27.130 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
13A. 27.140 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
14A. 27.150 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
15A. 27.160 MHz Disaster Relief Tactical 1 (State of Emergency) – NFM
16A. 27.170 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
17A. 27.180 MHz Interstate Highway Channel – NFM
18A. 27.190 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
19A. 27.200 MHz Interstate Highway Channel – NFM
20A. 27.210 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
21A. 27.220 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
22A. 27.230 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
23A. 27.240 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
24A. 27.250 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
25A. 27.260 MHz Disaster Relief Tactical 2 (State of Emergency) – NFM
26A. 27.270 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
27A. 27.280 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
28A. 27.290 MHz Talk Around Channel – NFM
29A. 27.300 MHz Disaster Relief Tactical 3 (State of Emergency) – NFM
30A. 27.310 MHz Disaster Relief Tactical 4 (State of Emergency) – NFM
31A. 27.320 MHz Talk Around Channel – SSB
32A. 27.330 MHz Talk Around Channel – SSB
33A. 27.340 MHz Talk Around Channel – SSB
34A. 27.350 MHz Talk Around Channel – SSB or NFM
35A. 27.360 MHz Talk Around Channel – SSB or NFM
36A. 27.370 MHz Talk Around Channel – SSB
37A. 27.380 MHz Talk Around Channel – SSB
38A. 27.390 MHz Talk Around Channel – SSB
39A. 27.400 MHz Talk Around Channel – SSB
40A. 27.410 MHz Talk Around Channel – SSB
D40. 27.435 MHz Data ONLY – 300 bps maximum

27 MHz Citizens Band Radio Service (see Title 47, Chapter I, Subchapter D, Part 95 Subpart D)

See band plan details and notes on page 3.

Channels 15A, 25A, 29A and 30A may be used as, “Talk Around Channels” during times of Non-Emergency.

*CTCSS and DCS Encode/Decode squelch tones are permitted when using NFM mode.

The people who were replying to you in your almost comical ranting threads were hams, but also industry professionals who systematically addressed each of your items in turn. You simply refuse to accept any criticism of your plan, and took to ranting and raving.

The first answer here to your suggestion is giving you the same rough feedback as this thread in the third online forum, do you sense a theme yet?

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No.

It serves no purpose. The general public is already adequately served by FRS, MURS, GMRS, Amateur Radio, and Citizens Band Radio. In order to convince the FCC to implement the rules you propose, you would have to demonstrate that there is an obvious need that would be met by this new radio service. Why do you believe that local communities would benefit from this service and how would this service provide a benefit that is not already being met by other radio services?

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I have an updated band plan for 49 MHz (see below).

                                        U.S. 49 MHz VHF-Lo *MURS Band Plan 
                                      TX/RX Mode of Operation FM (10 Watts)

Channel / Frequency / Bandwidth / Recommended Use
1D. 49.6250 (20.00 kHz) DATA ONLY 1200 bps – NO VOICE
1A. 49.6750 (20.00 kHz) Interstate Highway Channel – Long Range
2A. 49.6950 (20.00 kHz) Off Road Vehicle (4WD) channel — Long Range
3A. 49.7150 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
4A. 49.7350 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
5A. 49.7550 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
6A. 49.7750 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
7A. 49.7950 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
8A. 49.8150 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
9A. 49.8400 (20.00 kHz) Emergency / Travel Assistance ONLY
10A. 49.8650 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
11A. 49.8950 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
12A. 49.9150 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
13A. 49.9350 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
14A. 49.9550 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
15A. 49.9750 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
*Multi Use Radio Service (see Title 47, Chapter I, Subchapter D, Part 95 Subpart J)

                                  U.S. 150 MHz VHF-Hi *MURS Band Plan 
                                   TX/RX Mode of Operation FM (2 Watts)

Channel / Frequency / Bandwidth / Recommended Use
1B. 151.820 MHz (11.25 kHz) Short Range Talk Around Channel
2B. 151.880 MHz (11.25 kHz) Short Range Talk Around Channel
3B. 151.940 MHz (11.25 kHz) Truck / Cargo Terminals — Calling Channel
4B. 154.570 MHz (20.00 kHz) Off Road Vehicle (4WD) channel — Short Range
5B. 154.600 MHz (20.00 kHz) Interstate Highway Channel – Short Range

My proposal is a “MURS Expansion”, it will better serve the community with additional channels on a lower frequency band that will offer greater range.

It will benefit MURS users.

Opinions are like A******S, everyone has one :slight_smile:

And some smell worse than others.

I still have yet to see overwhelming support for your idea, I wish you good luck finding the commensurate number of underserved people who cannot find what they want in CB, FRS/GMRS or MURS…or amateur. I hope you find what you are looking for.

Short answer? No, this is a redundant idea served by the 4 aforementioned services, modifying them does not seem to fit anything other than your whimsical need for change.