Hi All. I am in the process of researching DMRs and would like to know which brand you feel is better in terms of DMRs.
I have been referred to the Hytera PD505 and the Motorola DP1400. If you have either of these products, I would appreciate any feedback on the product.
Additionally would one be able to use the PD505 and DP1400 in conjunction with one another.
Thanks in advance,
Justin
Personally I’d go with the Motorola.
I prefer Motorola rather then Hytera. I feel that Motorola better is in terms of DMRs.
The reality is that most people buy the same models - that way, little gadgets and gizmos they have will work properly - lets say (and I made this up) Motorola have an emergency feature that makes the receiving radio display go red when the emergency button is pressed, you can guarantee this kind if thing won’t work with the Hytera.
The reality is that in the quality, expensive radio market, it is the bells and whistles that justify the price, not so much reliability - electronics really are pretty good nowadays. Little things might matter - where the volume control is - stuff like that. One radio I’m usuing at the moment has a button on the rear that slots into a quick release belt clip - but sticking it into my pocket, the button jams on the hem of the pocket, so I tug it out with the antenna - that’s a silly design - just wrong for jeans pockets. The volume knob is also tricky when there is a headphone plug in - too close. These are the real features nowadays. Better is totally subjective now - better for you perhaps, but we can’t tell you that? The two you mention are decent enough radios. Buy two of either - not one of each. That will simply fry your brain - assuming you can get a 505 - it’s discontinued. They’re both pretty basic radios to be fair - but do you want to programme them yourself? Motorola can be tricky software wise?
I’m probably not the best person to ask but I recently bought 6 hytera BD502’s, I also have an old but still produced pd982 and a Motorola xpr7550e, hytera does everything you need it to for hundreds less than most Motorola’s but has hardly any features, like robust security and so on.
I also heard that Motorola was suing hytera and, in general, any serious, knowledgeable person recommends Motorola.
Im happy with the Hyteras I have right now, the bd502 and my personal giant color screen pd982i (I forget the model number) which functions like a repeater provide a very good connection, I recently walked over a mile away front my building and was still able to reach my security guard on the ground floor…
I guess it comes down to how much you’re willing to spend, Motorola r7 I was offered was $1500 but someone who uses both and knows radios told me that their claims of better voice and range are bogus and that all DMR radios that have 4 watts will work the same, all depends on whether or not you want to do something called trunking but I have no need for it and thus have no idea what trunking even is.
What is better? A Ford or a Rolls Royce. The critical factor is how well they fit a need. If the need is modest, then if you just want to go to the shops in it, and know you’ll never clean it, and will run it into the ground, then the Ford is a sensible choice. However - if you need to follow a trend, or impress people who know, and have a product that might have a long lifespan and still be worth something when old - and you have a higher budget that won’t creak from the expense, then buy the rolls.
For many people - a Baofeng DMR radio has amazing features and costs what? 4 or 5 happy meals? I’d bet money that if you had a Motorola in one pocket and a Baofeng in the other, then both would perform similarly. Trunking - which you mentioned is a system of local area networks that are linked, so when you go out of one service area into the next, the radios switch and you don’t even know. Similar to how mobiles work when you are in your car or on a train - you get seamlessly switched from transmitter to transmitter. trunking makes good use of limited channel space. when frequencies become free when one users moves to the next area, they can be re-used. Clever (and expensive) brands can do trunking - the Baofeng cannot. The basic idea that a signal sent in digital or analogue can be received the other end is quite basic, and range is usually a function of geography and topography, not technical excellence. Motorola is a major player. They supply many very large businesses and services with radios. Theyve been in trouble here in the UK with the Police radio system. The two major players Motorola and Sepura are competitors for the lucrative emergency contracts, yet secretly it is reported they got together to prevent prices being dropped. Other brands have kudos from their name - so you might see the Police with a Motorola, but not the coastguard. In the UK it’s more probable it would be Icom. Many UK prisons used to be Kenwood. I sell radios here, and have some very expensive Kenwoods on the shelf. I also have some Baofeng DMRs, plus other Chinese DMR radios. If somebody comes to me and says they want a good quality reliable pair of radios to go from their office to the warehouse. I ask a few questions and could easily score the requirement on a scale of cleverness. The Kenwood radios would end up with very few entries in the programming software. There are pages and pages of tweakable parameters, and endless things that could come up on the display. I could make one radio say Office and the other Warehouse - but what would the point be, they’d mix them up anyway. I could put the one channel in the Baofeng, not even stretching that radio. That would do this customer, and ethically, I cannot say it wouldn’t. Yet another customer isn’t interested in technical things at all, but they want a dozen radios that will be used by theatre staff. So a couple of channels for stage and front of house makes sense, plus perhaps another for just managers. It would be great if when somebody pressed transmit, the other radios hearing it display Stage2, or PIT - perhaps some radios will be pool but others personal, so knowing it is John calling could be useful? You sit down with the customer and write down what they have as a wish list. You tell them things they have not even thought of - like perhaps a panic button when somebody needs help, but it is impossible for them to talk. Not the usual man down danger, but perhaps locations so loud pressing the mic button is just horrible - the burst of noise that people hear instead of speech. Perhaps even the facility to send a message that says SOUND GO - if you offer these things and build up a map of possibilities, they can see what an expensive radio can do that the Baofeng cannot? It’s really features and benefits, not really quality. I have quite a few of these out on hire rather than the customers buying them, because that works better for them. Payback is around 18 months, then I switch to all profit, but if they come back - these radios still have residual value. An 18 month old Baofeng has very little value, and has probably been written off the books by that time. Servicing is also a two stage process. Faults are rare now, and most you get are caused by accidental misuse. Drops, antenna socket breakages when people swing them around by the rubber ducks. Battery failures that sort of thing. Today’s fault was simply an antenna screwed in with vice like hands that actually broke the glue and wrenched the centre wire off the PCB pad. If you do get a radio properly die, that’s very rare and with repair costs eating up hours, for my hire stock any repair taking more than an hour or two is probably not going to be economic. If somebody paid £1000 for a Motorola, then a two hour repair is probably going to be 10% of the retail cost of the radio. The Baofeng DMR is over 100% of the cost. So out of warranty you would not repair it, even if it was a simple, but time consuming job. Remember no dealer will sell ANY product that is unreliable or inferior. Only today a radio was returned because it did not work properly. An Icom as it happened, so odd. The customer demanding his money back - terrible product, doesn’t do what it should. No Marine channel 4. Ah - I thought and powered it on, spotted the USA group was unchanged from as supplied mode - page 12 I think in the manual. See he protested, no channel 4. I held the button down for one second and USA vanished and INT replaced it, and channel 4 appeared. He snatched it back and walked out muttering. This is what dealers have to accept now. Nobody sells radios that cause grief. Customers just need to ask proper questions - even stupid ones really help - then they’ll get good advice. I sell lots of ends of lines, and I’m honest. This is the new XXXXX its really good and is £150. This is last years model, does exactly the same but the trim is grey not black, and it is £110. They always say “is it as good” and you can say 100% yes. I have in the office 3 generations of one Icom - brand new latest model. The previous model and loads of ex-hire ones before that. They look the same, take the same batteries and apart from the number - I cannot tell. Hand on heart, I would struggle to justify a $1500 Motorola unless the customer wanted it for a very sophisticated system. Your firned who says the claims are bogus is sort of right. They do sound different - that’s one area where it’s worth listening. One of my friends cannot understand Motorola Digital. I can understand users perfectly, but the slightly robotic voice does not work properly for him. One thing I do know is that some radios have thin and weedy speakers and low powered audio amps, so turn them up and they distort. DMR is supposed to be perfect, up to the point when the signal gets very weak, when it suddenly stops. In practice, some radios simply mute and become silent while others seem to be very odd sounding when the signal is nearly gone but not quite. Going between brands in digital is the worst case audio. That’s my viewpoint. Radio hams always seem to get the best range - because they understand antennas, orientation, height and have mic technique. Security guards typically dont. You see them using radios horizontally when in that position polarization (used the US spelling he he) reduces range, but horizontally rotation through the compass bearings also has an impact.Not the radio brand.
Wow that was a great read! I wish you were in the us as i have a million questions about HAM via DRM and the 151 154 mhz area. I am listing them in case any of the other people on this thread have the answers…I think they are like th CB band and do not need a ham and a drm id. Or can i use a 2w repeater to extend range a bit (i think that is max watt for the no ID option)
But you are across the pond so i don’t think you know usa fcc code.
But i would like your opinion on the tyt brand in general and the 5w dmr390 in particular. I just got one $100us. Or the 10w larger tyt for when i have a call sign? Dont recall the model
Its funny you bring up theater client…that is me! I own a production company and a rental company. And my wife works at a theater (her radios suck). Im looking for good cheep options for the techs to talk when not in show. And to rent them like you do. because the drop damage is such a huge thing is why a name brand is not something i want to spend my money on, the replacement amount being cheep is important! But i want something that can take abuse.
Speaking if rental…for the usa people…will i have to get a business ham license if im only ising the 151-154 band? What if i do get a DMR ID…will i need multiple DI if i have multiple sets of radio frequency? Lets say i have two rentals and they are close enough that each needs to be on separate frequencies so they dont interfere with each other.
Next what it theoretically the ranges for DMR at 2watt? Or 5watt or 10watt? Trying to make sure i get what i need without over spending. Hope i can do the $100 5w tyt390 and use it on 2w output with a 2 watt repeater…range for something like that? (If i can even do it)?
Sorry for all the questions im just so new to this whole radio situation and do t want a $10-25k fcc fine! Lol ■■■■ that reminds me i need to get me curts for my IEM and wireless mic bands!
Confused? I answered your other topic on the same stuff?
I do know a bit about the US situation, but you seem very confused between ham radio, business radio and things like FRS/GMRS etc. There is no such thing as a business ham licence - two totally different things. You’ve got a lot of research to do. Digital IDs in the ham bands must be unique - atached to your callsign, not the radio. Business users allocate their own unique IDs, but usually to the radio, so that when somebody presses transmit, the people the other end either show the ID, or more usually a name attached to the ID, so people see useful things (and using your stage example) like LX2, or Dave LX, or DSM, things genuinely useful. I don;t get the frequency thing? You could have two radios on different frequencies that work fine, or you could have two radios that use the same frequency, but a different timeslot on DMR. Both would work exactloy the same way - two channels that can work at the same time. I think you have got lots of info and got a bit confused? The problem with the US is the FCC rules on equipment. Ham type radios may or may not be licensable - Part 90 approval is the requirement for radios for FCC business use - US people need to confirm this, but that is what I understand. I am pretty sure the TYT 390 does have part 90 approval.
Range is drastically improved by a repeater, if the antenna system is up high, and geography/topography gives it a good line of sight to where your users are. A good antenna location means even a low power repeater can give you decent range. in flatland, where I work and operate, that might be 5-10 miles with a high location. On the other hand, 2W from my office, which is near sea level in the harbour gives me a useful range of maybe a mile or two, if I am lucky. Increasing to 10W give a tiny amount of extra range. The snag with digital is that you get perfect comms that suddenly turns into silence with just a bit extra distance. The locations where digital chops in and out is quite a small band. Mostly it is go/nogo. Analogue FM works very differently. Solid, noise free signals start to get hissy, then very hissy, then silence. raising a radio into the air when reception gets very hissy often restores it - as does a move left or right perhaps. Digital gives you few clues. A step to the left could restore comms, but you don’t get the clues. IEMs and wireless have similar issues, but signal strength is often full scale on the meter, then you take a step or two and fall into a black hole. Receivers for wireless are all diversity types with dual receivers per channel, but IEMs rarely are - very different.